>> matt says free bird. nailed it. he had few good ones. >> put the picture up again, the running of the balls. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ i have not been the recipient of sloppy kisses. and i have met mr. filner on many occasions. there are others who are, but i have never had that opportunity. >> my goodness, wow. and the saga of san diego continues. good morning august 20th.

with us on set msnbc's thomas roberts. former communication director for george w. bush, who never had to worry about such things with george w. bush, i mean you know, cleaning up messes like this, filner mess, and former senior adviser for the 2008 mccain presidential campaign, nicolle wallace and the director of the earth institute at columbia university dr. jeffrey sachs. in washington pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst and bob filner expert, eugene robinson. thank you for being with us. it's nice to know one woman under like 100 in san diego has been in bob filner's presence has not been molested. >> she's lovely so that's one. >> still has the great granny coming after him. that embattled san diego mayor bob filner was expected to be back on work at monday after

spending time away for behavior therapy. but he reportedly met with city council leaders and lawyer gloria allred who represents several of his accusers. dozens of supporters rallied on filner's behalf welcoming his return and backing him as a pillar of the community. some compared his treatment to mccarthyism and others said his work outweighs those accusations. >> i am appalled by the attacks against mayor filner by only what i can describe as pure vindictiveness on the part of his opponents. >> we are going to stand behind him. we asked him not to resign. due process means that a victim is tried in court. not in the media, not on the streets. >> that's right. >> they have the opportunity to prove themselves and this will happen also for the accusers and

the victim. >> local radio station paid to have sky riders display "surrender bob" over san diego. 16 women have accused the mayor of unwanted practices. i just don't -- come on. gene, you're the expert here. >> thanks, joe. >> you called me last night at midnight and said, joe, please just give me a chance to talk about filner. >> yeah. >> i'll prove what an expert i am. you wrote a book on him, right? >> i've been waiting for months for the opportunity to talk about bob filner. if 16 women, that's due process, okay. >> yeah. >> 16 come on. you've had your day in court. i understand what's going on in san diego. i mean, bob filner is a democrat. he's mayor of san diego. that doesn't happen. it hasn't happened in a long time. i'm sure the democrats out there

are distraught at the thought that the mayor may have to go away, but the mayor's got a problem. >> yes, he does. >> you think? >> the mayor has a problem. >> he has a big problem. >> and i don't think it was cured by, you know, a week and a half of whatever he did the last week and a half. >> and san diego has a big problem too. you have one of the largest cities in the country that is in the middle of this crisis. that's completely shut down. i can't believe that this guy is still at work. new jersey governor chris christie has been busy putting his mark on controversial new laws. he signed a new law banning the practice of gay conversion therapy. making his state the second to do so. he also refused to sign three bills tightening state gun laws. among them a bill that would ban the .50 caliber rifle, one of the most powerful firearms

available to civilians. last week christie asked the legislature to revise a medical marijuana bill to include edible forms that sick children could take. the senate has agreed to his changes and now awaits the status. what's happening with chris christie? what's he doing? he's planning for a presidential run? >> this is a guy whose greatest attribute is he doesn't give a bleep bleep what anybody says or thinks about him. i'm going to keep watching, but it makes his biggest fans and fiercest defenders i think a little wary to see something that appears a tad politically calculated. >> like what? give me some examples here. >> i think the gun votes, i think that even gun owners can respect and understand some reasonable limits on these kinds of weapons. i don't think there's a

constitutional question about limits access to some of these firearms. what bothers you? >> on these gun issues, i mean, listen, you can be as second amendment and absolutist if you want to. you can say we should have cannons. you know, whatever. >> we would be a safer country if we replaced the guns with cannons. >> you can buy drones on amazon. >> get a cannon. >> i've said this way before anybody at the nra, all it takes to stop a bad man with a cannon is what? >> a good man with a cannon. >> yeah. >> it's the truth. >> i think i can already feel the cannon sales exploding this morning. >> so if you want to buy cannons and you believe -- didn't have that debate. we'll have that debate. >> sure. >> in this case, chris christie himself said this was the type of gun he wanted to ban. >> right. >> that he supported this ban.

and now as the talk gets a little more intense about running for president of the united states, suddenly he wants to ban this gun and suddenly it goes too far? >> yeah. >> maybe there's a part of it that goes too far. >> what part could it be? >> yeah, right. >> because these are pretty -- these laws are written with i think at lot of understanding of what they're up against. i think if you look at states, look at cities that have successfully passed gun legislation they understand the opposition. i would be curious to see what they expected the governor to do and what he ended up doing. this was written in a way that gave him room to do what he said he was going to do, ban these guns. >> if it went too far because he believes it would confiscate the guns of people who already have these, which i understand the problem there, just say rewrite the law this way so i can sign the bill. i think, you know, we'll see. we'll see. but you've seen it. i've seen it. we've all seen it up close and

personal, these candidates that are great and then they announce they're going to run, and the second they announce they're going to run, they round off all of the harsh edges and then they -- >> which are the things that make us like them. >> right. and then they run and then they lose and then they go on "the tonight show" and then you go, oh, if he had only acted like that, when he was running for president. >> right. >> remember al gore. al gore went like this throughout the entire 2000 campaign. he was just -- he was even stiffer than al gore is usually stiff. and he waffled on guns and he waffled on the environment. they said you can't talk about guns because you'll lose west virginia. the guy was the stiffest presidential candidate i ever saw and then jeffrey sachs the night he concedes to george w. bush, i saw him and i said and i think most people said, i said, oh, my god. if that al gore had shown up on the presidential campaign, we would have lost by a good bit.

it happens time and time again. i just wonder whether chris christie, mr. i am who i am, is now going to make this tight twisted conversion to presidential candidate that they all seem to try to make. whether he's now scared of extremists in gun organizations. >> yes. it's clear it's starting and it's a good thing for us to watch because it's going to be step by step we're going to see a lot of it. >> but as we watch -- >> everybody positioning and it's years away. >> governor christie is going to win re-election in new jersey. he's going to then take over in 2014 i believe it is the republican governors association which is going to be a great platform that is an advance to 2016. but i think the calculations are keeping office in new jersey for now and then the record that will be demonstrated through that second term leading up to 2016. >> but joe, what -- if chris christie doesn't have, you know,

i am what i am, what does he got? >> that's all he's got. nop. maybe chris christie doesn't understand this. i'm friends with him. and so he's going to yell at me now, i know. but maybe he doesn't understand, that's his thing. that's his sh tick. when he stops he gets tossed aside. there's a biblical reference. good is -- >> but is he not allowed to change his mind on anything? >> but don't say, get -- give me this bill, we want to ban this gun, and then they give it to him and he vetoes it. i mean, yeah, you can change your mind. i've changed my mind on a few things. not a lot. i've changed my mind on a lot of things. this ted cruz guy, i like him a lot. republican senator ted -- i do -- ted cruz wants everyone to know, okay, all listening? ted cruz wants everybody to know that he's not canadian.

yesterday "dallas morning news" front page story called in question cruz's dual citizenship with canada. raising questions about cruz's 2016 eligibility. in order to clear up the issue, cruz released his birth certificate showing that he was born to an american mother in canada. he later released a statement saying, quote, i will renounce mika nade yan citizenship. nothing against canada but i am an american by birth and as a u.s. senator, i believe i should be only an american. >> we're going to work on that canadian accent. what's that a boot? ted cruz -- >> you're from the south. >> that's my jfk! can anybody do a canadian accent here? >> no. >> what's that -- >> boot the --

>> ted cruz will be headlining a town hall in dallas tonight, part of a nine-state tour by the heritage foundation to drum up support for the effort to defund obama care. so ted cruz, he's a player. >> just ask him. >> no. listen, he's going to iowa and people are going -- >> people like him. people are excited about him. >> why? >> i think he taps into -- >> because he's a cade nade yan. >> the sinking sarah palin base, people that were excited about sarah palin, have now transferred to ted cruz. >> and michele bachmann. >> so that is a vibrant part of the republican party, love them or hate them, they look every two to four years for someone that will champion their animosity towards the large federal bureaucracy. >> it's resentment. >> animosity. >> resentment. but it's the sarah palin

supporters, the herman cain supporters in a sense the donald trump supporters. you line them all up and that's -- and we have people going out there -- who knows. maybe cruz is going towards 2016 more powerful because instead of tripping over, you know, sarah palin and herman cain and michele bachmann and all these other people, maybe he has that space all to himself. >> but what -- >> and then there's rand paul the libertarian. >> which is so much more interesting this year. instead of the ted cruz/bachmann candidate having to bump up against the republican establishment, there's always someone that represents that part of the party, this year they will bump up against someone with substantive objecti objections. you have rand paul, he's a political animal based on his ideology. i think ted cruz will run head long into someone who is more authentic to this part of the

party, who has an entire flushed out ideology that he's going to sell to that same group of people. this is going to be a lot more interesting than watching michele bachmann rail against romney and the rest of the republicans or sarah palin rail against the rest of the establishment. >> canadians versus kentucky, jeff sachs. this is when it gets interesting. "the daily beast" reporting the white house has secretly suspended aid to egypt, a sign the obama administration is at least internally treating the government takeover as a coup. u.s. officials aren't commenting on the report saying the review of aid to egypt is, quote, ongoing but should be pointed out that saudi arabia has said it would fill the void of any foreign aid that is cut. meanwhile, hosni mubarak has been cleared by an egyptian court and released from jail. authorities are working to determine the official date for the former president to be set freep. >> wow. >> let's go to ayman mohyeldin and get response from the table.

ayman what's the latest and how are tensions in the street? do you fear we may have some more clashes or is that past for now? >> well, right now the street violence seems to have subsided, at least in cairo. it seems right now the biggest discussion in egypt has to deal with the northern is anaa peninsula there. yesterday 25 killed. all eyes on a court decision on the possible release of hosni mubarak. as we understand it there is a hearing tomorrow. that hearing will surround the decision as to whether or not he should be freed pending the beginning of his trial. he's not acquitted of any wrongdoing but the judge believes he's served 2 1/2 years waiting for this trial to start, that he does not necessarily have to remain in prison. that would fuel the flames here because a lot of people have been making the accusation what we've seen in the past seven weeks with the way the military has been running things it's a return to the pre-mubarak days. the military back in power. a lot of the governors they have

aappointed are former military and police officers. the release would be an example of how corrupt the judiciary is here and more importantly how the government has just fallen on deaf ears on the demands of the revolution. it's something going to be watching closely and could fuel the flames of more protests in days to come. >> thank you so much as always. we really do appreciate it. jeffrey sachs, the situation in egypt, just absolutely horrible. it seems like this country is mismanaged actually for years now. >> well, the whole region is in growing chaos. we have to foreign policy also that is doing anything to help guide the region and egypt is a huge country of great importance and completely in civil conflict right now. >> what have we done wrong in egypt? where do you start but what -- >> there was a move towards democracy that we should have helped. we had misgivings about it. the neighbors had misgivings

about it because when you open up for democracy, they got the first several votes were for islamists president and we could have helped that process to find a middle ground. we did not do so. for two years when they needed some kind of financial stability, we held back on everything. finally, the generals got organized i suspect with a lot of our allies and perhaps ourselves, we don't really know the story, and a very brutal coup and crackdown has ensued and the thought is that you can repress half the country and we know that is not going to go anywhere in the long term. it's both brutal in the short term, thousand people or more killed, the crackdowns will continue. we have continued to give aid until this point. whether secretly they've cut off something we don't know.

our allies quote/unquote israel, saudi arabia, are all saying go for it, smash the muslim brotherhood but this is half the country and it's a crazy idea that this can be put down by massacres and by military brutality in my view. so we've drifted and the obama administration has not shown any clear capacity to help guide events. and then we're told every day in the news we have no say, we don't have any responsibility. we provide the military security for every one of those countries we're talking about right now. for israel, for saudi arabia, for -- >> why does the president say he doesn't have any say? why does the president say his options are limited? >> i think it's a lack of capacity of -- and a lack of decision of what to do. the general problem in my view is that they are conflicted

should we really aim for demom craization? it's an islamist regime. you see the strong feeling don't support anything that has that flavor to it, that coloration to it. >> right. >> it's a huge mistake because we want shortcuts, we want the government we want. okay. let the military crack down but we know this is not the end of the story. this is just more crisis that's going to come. >> and, of course, before, gene, the military crackdown the country was turned against the muslim brotherhood and now you've got the muslim brotherhood hating the united states and -- >> everybody hates the u.s. >> everybody -- >> you have the military supporters hating the united states. we have charted this weak, waffling middle ground and it has all sides hating us now in egypt. >> yeah. we do seem to have managed to make all sides hate us and look,

this is probably going to get a lot worse before it gets better actually, because i suspect that in the short term the coup will succeed. what the military is doing now is kind of decapitating the muslim brotherhood, the spiritual leader of the muslim brotherhood was arrested yesterday and the political leaders who had bought into the idea of elections and democracy. they're all detained, including morsi. the deposed president. so what will happen, that may repress the muslim brotherhood, the organization for a while, but new leadership will inevitably bubble up. it you as jeff said half the country and the new leadership is unlikely to buy into the idea of elections and peaceful transitions as the old leadership was. >> dr. brzezinski was on the show saying, we need to pick a side. you need to pick the winning side, but we need to pick a side

and we can't keep waffling back and forth. we are either going to support the generals and say we're going to support you, but these are the conditions that are attached and this is what you're going to have to do and you're going to have to release morsi and stop acting like a bunch of thugs, but we will support you. all right. we're on your side. now let's clean this mess up. or we've got to support the muslim brotherhood or -- >> or we have to support -- >> or a process. >> we have to support the idea of democracy. >> the idea of a democratic process that led to the election of a muslim brotherhood. but we have to choose a side. this president loves to say, morsi must -- or president loves to say, mubarak must go. we'll see if he goes or not. and then assad must go. well, okay. once you say, assad must go and you're the united states president, assad must go. >> or don't say it.

>> or keep your mouth shut. if you say mubarak must go, you better have looked down the road because right now, as much as i've been offended through the years and i've talked about it through the years that one of our best allies in the middle east, tortures dissidents, it would be a hell of a lot better off if the president kept his mouth shut on mubarak and tried to lean in and pressure mubarak to make changes instead of having the military group that we have now in a situation completely out of control and 100% of egyptians hating us. >> gadhafi is gone and we know what the arab spring brought us is the ignition of the spark of democracy and we're watching this unfold. it is a matter of trying to figure out, are we in too far in nation building as a country. we know how well that's done for certain presidents in the past. there's $500 million already allocated and gone to the egypt of the $1.6 million going there.

so do we cut off that financial leverage and as you point out, saudi arabia is ready to fill that void. the minute we step out financially, there's going to be another person with a financial interest to take over. >> you bring up gadhafi, that's a good point. i don't understand our foreign policy and i don't think anybody inside the white house understands or around the world. there is not a consistent foreign policy. it is ad hoc. one thing with gadhafi, the situation was every bit as chaotic as we saw even in the aftermath of benghazi, we do another on syria. we're how many, over 100,000 people have been killed? >> complete chaos. >> there's a -- >> gene? >> just i was going to say, i think there is one fundamental question we haven't answered. i'm not sure we could have saved mubarak if we wanted to tell you the truth. the whole country wanted to get rid of him instead of half the country. i think he was a goner. the fundamental question is, okay, are we willing to accept

and support and nurture islamist led governments. >> if they win elections, gene. >> after the arab spring or not. those elected governments that come up, are we going to be patient and try to transform them or help them transform into truly representative democracies that are not afghanistan, that are not taliban sort of regimes, or not? or do we take that -- think that can't happen. >> here's the question. the question is, and i guess this is for the history books, what could we have done to make morsi a more rationale, reasonable leader that didn't suspend, you know, his -- the courts and that didn't -- >> no, joe. actually it wasn't actually like that because what happened was, there was a parliamentary election and the islamists won a large majority and then it was the courts who are the mubarak era appointees that overturned

the parliamentary election. that was the starting point of all of this downward spiral. we said nothing at the time. >> are you saying that morsi was without fault? >> i didn't say not without fault. >> morsi didn't push things to extreme. >> what happened was that parliament, which could have actually sat as a normal government, was suspended by the mubarak era courts and that blocked the dem critization process. at that moment we said nothing. this was the generals and mubarak folks coming back in. it's been one year since then of downward spiral. that's when it started actually. it started when the elected parliament of islamist majority wasn't allowed to sit and after that, basically this was a whole rolling coup and now they've done it and the u.s. has been on the sidelines saying we're not sure, we kind of like democracy a little bit, but go ahead and crush it.

>> okay. we'll get -- we'll be back talking about this a good bit more throughout the hour. alex is screaming at me time to go to break ten minutes ago. coming up on "morning joe," we have the editor of the weekly standard bill christoll, chris mathews and lewis black. up next virginia governor bob mcdonald's reputation taking a nose dive but could jail time be in his future. unbelievable. that story is in the politico playbook next. here's bill karins, a look on the forecast. bill? >> good morning, joe. and i have some -- not a lot of weather news today. i have numbers to throw at you. i took a look at the state of our climate year to date. shocking things going on. we haven't had a lot of big weather disasters around this country. we are at near record low pace of tornadoes. of course we had the horrible, moore, oklahoma, tornado. year to date we should be about 1200, only at 716, about 500 behind and where we should be.

also in the last two years, 2012 and 2013, $25 billion weather disasters. so far moore, oklahoma, only one billion dollar weather disaster. that's great news. we were on these incredible pace of billion dollar disasters and we're off it and finally the hurricane season is off to a slow start. typically the first hurricane forms august 10th. still a little early to say weight what's going to happen through september. as far as the forecast, typical summer day, not many weather concerns out there flying atlanta and florida, maybe afternoon storms and that's about it. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. i think she tried to kill us. [ sighs ]

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hey, welcome back to "morning joe." let's take a look at the morning papers. this from the parade of papers. "the houston chronicle" beau biden, son of vice president joe biden, is undergoing tests in houston, texas, after spells of disorientation and weakness. the attorney general of delaware has been the attorney general since 2006. beau had a mild stroke in 2010 and surgery to correct two brain aneurysms in 1988. the vice president is in texas with his son. >> send him the best. beau biden one of the nicest guys around. send him the very best. >> "new york post" city officials announcing the latest gun bust in new york history. police arrested 19 people and uncovered 254 firearms. the nypd operation tore apart two smuggling rings from south carolina. some of the weapons pulled in as much as $160,000.

>> this was like one of the largest gun busts i think in new york history. >> and "the new york times" the federal reserve says some major banks are coming up short during stress testing. aimed at insuring whether they can weather another financial crisis. the report indicates some banks are making the same mistakes they made during the recent economic crisis. and jeffrey sachs, i have to call you in here, there is no way that if a couple of these banks hit rough times, the federal reserve wouldn't come back to us as taxpayers and say you got to bail them out. too big to fail has become bigger. >> absolutely. there's been no accountability for all of the things that were done in the lead up to the crisis. the thing that amazes me day by day is how many crimes, indictments, financial fraud lawsuits, settlements there are of these banks but no accountability at the top. so when you brazenly get away with one financial fraud after another, how can you expect that

something is going to be cleared up. we -- and we're seeing it again every single day. new lawsuits, new indictments, new criminal proceedings, new notifications by jpmorgan. a list of ten more investigations going on. where's the accountability? >> gang also from the "new york times" a look at scientists warning sea levels could rise by more than three feet before the end of the century if emissions condition continue at the current pace. a report finds that human activity is 95% responsible. the report estimates the earth's temperature could rise 5 degrees fahrenhe fahrenheit, changes in heat waves, animal extincts and growing food. >> "the washington post" the first family announced a new addition. sunny, a portuguese water dog born in june 2012. first lady michele obama felt bo a portuguese water dog needed a friend. the obamas made a donation to the washington, d.c., humane

society in honor of sunny. >> very good looking dogs. fast friends already. the iconic actor dick van dyke involved in a close call on the side of an l.a. highway. the 87-year-old's car engulfed in flames when a good samaritan pulled him out. his wife tweeted van dyke was okay and also tweeted this video of van dyke up and talking to highway patrol officers. i think dick van dyke tweeted a jokey tweet picture of the car that said used jag for sale for cheap or something like that. >> what exactly do you do to a car to cause it to burst into flames like that. >> there were initial reports -- >> i'm on the fact that they both tweet and i haven't. dick van dyke 87 tweets. >> you don't have good material like that. >> that's great material. >> yeah. >> they say it was a tire potentially, a flat tire. >> a flat tire causes a car -- >> massive explosion like a stunt. that was massive. >> anyway, good samaritan got

dick van dyke out. >> with us now with the politico playbook, editor in chief, john harris. so this bob mcdonald guy, i mean, conservatives like me loved him and still love him. but man, he could be vice president, he's from virginia. i like bob. bob is for jobs. good guy. rationale guy. ka boom like it's all -- what's going on here? >> he had a very winning governorship up until about year three, three and a half. >> a great governorship. >> supposed to be on his victory lap right now and yesterday there was this amazing split screen image in virginia. governor mcdonald is in richmond presenting his annual report. big surplus, $585 million. that's going to be roughly the size of his legal bills because up here in alexandria at the federal courthouse separate legal times, his and his wife now has a separate legal team. they're talking with federal

prosecutors trying to lay out their cases to why there shouldn't be a legal action because of various gifts that mcdonnells from this guy who are -- >> john, we hear like if virginia, these gifts aren't illegal. you can give people -- >> you can drive a truck through virginia disclosure laws. >> exactly. >> i used to cover richmond, how come annapolis in maryland everyone is going to jail, scandals, virginia is totally clean. the reason virginia is totally clean, none of the stuff under virginia law is against the law. you can do anything. >> right. >> these guys are in hot water not with virginia law, joe, with federal law. it's really, really serious when your legal team is taking meetings with federal prosecutors as governor mcdonnells were yesterday. >> what is he accused of doing exactly? >> what are the feds coming after him for? >> there is -- they're looking at the fact that the mcdonnell family family, governor mcdonnell says his wife was doing all the stuff he didn't know, they were taking all kinds

of favors from the ceo of a virginia company, star scientific, they make health supplements, dietary supplements. >> that's legal in virginia. >> the question is, all these gifts, paid for his daughter's wedding, gave him tens of thousands in personal loans, what for? that's what federal prosecutors are looking at. was there a quid pro quo. if they don't show there wasn't something in return it's going to be hard to send the governor who is on his way out, out of office in january one way or the other to make a case. >> i don't understand why that's the fed's business. that's virginia's business. >> the public interest. you've got big money bags giving gifts undisclosed gifts to the governor of virginia. you can see why -- >> is this the same people that gave the governor the rolex that he was wearing that he gave back? >> that's the one. that's the one. >> so -- >> he said my wife gave it to me. i didn't know it was from him. >> i think it's federal bribery statutes they're looking at him

under and that's the question really, is was there a quid pro quo. >> okay. . i would just think, i don't want to get into a federalism thing here, but if the bribery -- alleged bribery was committed in the state of virginia, with a state candidate, again, i'm not exactly sure why the feds would come in if -- again, this is legal under virginia state law. >> it's not clear what they got. they just gave him things. is there any evidence that he gave them anything in return? >> that's the question. all right. john harris, thank you so much. >> see you, joe. >> we've got civil procedure 101 at 10:15. what i'm saying, if it's virginia law, and it's their disclosure laws and they say you can get a rolex, spaceship, whatever you want to get and we're not going to -- you don't have to report it i'm not sure why the feds come in and investigate him for that. >> was there a potential it

added up to be so much it takes on -- >> again -- >> the amount of money given in terms of -- >> yeah. >> what's alleged -- >> i got to look this up. >> could be -- >> i don't know. >> check the google. >> i'm going to check the google and we're going to see. coming up next, relationship between alex rodriguez and the yankees gets even worse. yes even worse. we'll tell you why a-rod is now preparing a lawsuit. sports coming up next. right now, 7 years of music is being streamed.

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time for sports. the battle between a-rod and the yankees continues to rage on. a-rod taking major league swings at yankees team doctor chris ahmad citing a source in a-rod's camp. espn reporting rodriguez's lawyers are preparing to file a medical malpractice suit against him. the allegations from a-rod's camp the team doctor misdiagnosed his hip injury during last year's playoffs saying they have the evidence to prove it. highlights, a's -- got something?

>> huh? this guy always something with a-rod. >> every day it gets more and more interesting. how about this, little red sox themed highlights here with the a's and mariners. justin smoke rips one to right. redik, not only a great through, but it is also a tribute to laziness on the base pads. watch this guy, sauntering to third, you're cool and he's out. >> wow. >> he deserves it. >> brandon moss in the ninth, that would be a walk-off hit, former red sox prospect as well, mr. moss, so billy bean, you're welcome. 2-1, a's victory half game behind rangers in the al west. red sox teed off in tim lincecum, he should grow the hair out again. the giants are struggling. 4-0, sox after the fifth. top ninth, red sox up 7-0. take a look at this, pop-up in foul territory, right? >> easy to get. >> except the ball girl wants it too. in the supposed to do that.

she's taken an out away from her team. it's a nice catch. she was -- >> oh, god. >> she was laser focused, a little embarrass, no harm, no foul there. take a look at this, joe. >> all right. doug mientkiewicz, remember him. >> oh, yeah. >> he ignited this brawl here. don't know if we will see him, but he's the manager for the ft. myers miracle, sprinted for the dugout, locks arms with the ma raiders manager, wrestles him to the ground, sparked him to the mehe. he cut the final out in the 2004 world series win for the red sox. we can't really do the spot shadow in minor leagues. it's a ball. we didn't have that. >> man, that's rough. all right. getting rough there. still can't believe that girardi got thrown out. >> of that game? >> yeah. when they threw at a-rod like four times. >> you guys made the correct call at the table. it was the umpire's fault for not warning him after the first pitch and he was 100% justified.

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welcome back to "morning joe." you have broken twitter. >> nicolle wallace. >> i broke twitter. new on twitter. very scared of it. >> she still calls it the twitter. >> she broke the twitter. >> how do you hit -- dana pa rene no set me up. >> former white house colleague sweet op-ed in the new hit tweet. >> i am sweating. >> i just tweeted. >> i am in a sweat. >> well -- >> what's going to happen now? is it going to -- >> i'm -- >> i only have one follower. >> i'm going to retweet you. >> yeah. will it hurt? >> a lot of people will see it and then get a lot of hateful tweets. >> awesome. >> michael gerson, saying good-bye to my child the youngster. i put on my best face, but it is the worst thing that time has done to me so far. that moment at the dorm is implied that the kindergarten door, at the gates of summer

camp, every ritual of parting and independence. but it comes as surprising as a thief taking what you value most. there is no use in brooding about it. i'm sure my father realized it at a similar moment and i certainly didn't notice or empathi empathize. at first he was a giant who held my hand and filled my sky, a middle-aged man who paid my bills. decades after his passing a much loved shadow. but i can remember the last time i hugged him in the front hallway of his home where i always had a room. it is a memory of warmth i can only hope to leave my son the same. i really, you know, saying good-bye to my oldest son and went off and hugged and then i went back inside and i tried to walk upstairs and i couldn't. i just sat, you know -- tearing up. >> my son is 1 and i'm crying. >> it -- >> some day he will go to

college. >> it goes fast. it goes fast. and boy, when they -- especially when that first one goes away for the first time, it just punches you in the gut and you just -- because you go back to memories. >> it's awful. >> we dropped off our youngest. we're empty nesters for first time in 31 years. >> and? >> it's tough. >> yeah. it's tough. >> beautiful column, i know the feeling. >> yeah. >> i just want to raise them to at least call. >> or tweet. >> good luck on that. >> because like -- >> joe, i dropped off my youngest or my oldest son at the university of chicago four days after 9/11. >> oh, my god. >> it was the most wrenching. you had to drive there, of course, because we couldn't fly from washington because nobody could flew. and it was the longest drive in the world to drive home by myself from chicago having dropped my kid off. i mean, my oldest kid. just an amazing thing.

>> it'ser er ttorturous. i can't imagine doing it in that setting. but nicole your wild is 1, lots of luck. it is bad. you do remember as michael is talking about, you do remember. and again, i tried to -- i couldn't walk up the stairs. when i finally crawled up the stairs, i went in bed and i did what i do once a decade, cried, and it is, it's just -- it is -- but it's a passage and you know, of course i'm sure he called later in the day, what did you want, but anyway, then the bills come. >> right. >> and then you snap out of it really fast. >> yes. >> anyway, we thank michael gerson for that and nicole for your first tweet. you've entered into a difficult world. standing by in the green room editor of weekly standard joins us in a minute. "morning joe" will be right back. every day we're working to be an even better company -

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that's the right word or rehabilitate herself, run for senate in alaska 2014. if i were here adviser i would say take on the incumbent, win a primary, beat an incumbent democrat not easy, but if she did that, if she can imagine that, sarah palin, freshman senator 2015, having beat an incumbent, that would be interesting. >> wow. come on now, y'all. welcome back to "morning joe." nicolle wallace and brian shactman with us along with eugene robinson in washington, d.c. we've all dried our tears, thank you, michael gerson. joining the table editor of "the weekly standard" bill kristol who never cries. >> true. >> never cried before? >> true. >> conservatives don't cry, joe. the opposite is true, actually. i'm a softy. clutchlittle used to cry when he saw the scenes of damage of world war ii. keep it to ourselves though. >> i cry all the time at movies. but not in real life. there's a problem there.

so bill kristol thinks -- >> my girl. >> the candidate -- >> you said my girl. >> could get back into politics and i want to know, you direct it to bill kristol be back in politics. >> i saw these comments an was thrilled. >> will you manage her campaign? >> absolutely. and you are her most influential kind of ubber adviser, the force in the universe -- >> you are the force in the universe, bill kristol, embrace it. >> comes to pass. how do you feel? >> i was asked does sarah palin have a future and i tried to give an analytical answer, i don't think she does having resigned as governor. but -- no. i said this is not -- i'm not urging this. if she wants to have a future, this is useful to think outside the box, not just accept the conventional wisdom. >> what are you doing here, thank you, bill kristol. >> thank you, bill kristol, for coming. we only -- >> wait. you don't think if she ran in the republican primary in alaska and beat a couple of good

candidates and the incumbent senator it would be interesting, fun to have her in the senate in january 2015. good to have a republican vote there. lively young senator. >> disciplined to do that? >> listen -- >> nicole, you worked with her. >> you have a lot more sway in her world. i promise you what she heard out of what you said, was how to. not the beginning. >> it is how to. if she wants to have a serious future in american politics, as opposed to giving speeches, causing a ruckus with facebook posts she should run for office. running and winning takes away a lot of, you know, a lot of the baggage of the past. >> erases a multi it today -- >> nixon after losing the governorship in '62, was finished, was finished the way he wasn't finished ran for the presidency and won. p. >> do you think she does want to have that kind of future, though? do you think she does want a serious future? >> i haven't been in touch with her a year or so and don't know. >> i have to ask you, you and i

have never talked about this, but how did you feel as sort of being branded as the godfather of sarah palin inc? >> it's the worst thing ever said about me. i have a thick skin like joe. >> i mean all kidding aside, a lot of people -- >> i thought it was a good gamble. i was for lieberman in 2008. as you may recall i have private communicationings, they felt they couldn't go for someone pro life and a democrat. i think they could have sold lieberman. i thought mccain had to throw a long pass and palin was a popular governor of alaska and different pick, obviously. at the end of the day i think the margin was the same. the best two weeks of his campaign was after he picked sailen and she really disappointed me when she quit the governorship. that was the moment where until then she had been a popular governor. you're a defeated candidate. couple bad interviews. quitting the governorship in your first term people don't understand that i think. >> you know, we're going to talk

about chris christie in a second. he obviously starting to act like a presidential candidate. >> yep. >> by darting left and right and right and left. i want to ask you generally about egypt. we -- everybody that we have on the show agrees, we're in a mess. dr. brzezinski was on a couple days ago, saying that we had to be realists, we had to be tough, that we had to pick a side and stick with that side and better pick the side that wins. we had jeffrey sachs on earlier today saying we've completely botched this experiment because we undermined the democratic process there. what's your take on egypt? what has the white house got right, what does it have wrong? >> i think the big thing it has wrong it has thought generally having a lower profile, using -- exerting less influence in the middle east would be to our benefit and the opposite is the case. it's not intervening in syria and saying assad must go, no intervention. red lines in syria, no

consequences, no troops left in iraq. we paid a high price and now we see that in egypt, sort of powerless with our friends and powerless with our enemies. we can stop the aid, the saudis say they're going to replace it. i incline in this case to be somewhat sympathetic for the administration. i think they're in a tough position. i think it would be foolhardy probably, most of my friends want to cut off the aid, arguments for doing it, but it's a 34-year long relationship. whatever you think of the details of it, it has contributed i think to a certain amount of peace and stability in the middle east and it's the largest country in the middle east. i'm not -- i myself would probably do nothing for now, try to work behind the scenes, try to minimize bloodshed and have decent regime there with some transition towards democracy in the future. but i am not -- i am not -- do not think it would be better if we force the military out and the muslim brotherhood came back into power. >> gene -- >> i'm pretty close to -- i'm not normally close to brzezinski, on most of these issues but i might be.

that's foreign policy, it's complicated. >> it is extraordinarily complicated. gene, the one thing everybody seems to agree with, you know, regardless of their outlook on foreign policy, is this white house has been feckless as -- in regards to egypt. we just put up a pew poll that said 51% of americans think barack obama has been too weak towards egypt, only 6% tooi ist too strong. this is a white house that has lost control of the situation in egypt. not that it's an easy situation for any president to control. but it seems like this president's taken a bad situation and made it much worse. >> well, i don't think the white house ever had control of the situation or was going to have control of the situation. i mean, remember the sequence of events, right. we stuck with mubarak pretty long. it was a while before the

administration kind of responded to what was happening on the streets of cairo and finally said mubarak had to go and it was clear the whole country wanted him gone. then you're on the side of the revolution so you try to support that. you could argue maybe the u.s. could or should have done more to try to shape the new democracy. i'm not sure that was possible. but maybe they should have tried to do more. and so now we're in the situation where we are hated by both sides and accused of both sides of sabotaging their interests and i'm not sure we actually deserve that fate, deserve that reputation because i think we just tried to figure out what was going on and which direction the country was going and what egyptians wanted. >> this president, though, has

got to stop saying mubarak must go, assad must go, gadhafi must go. he's got to go. whether it's syria or whatever it is. james baker stand for -- if we could just have a class encasing and just have a hammer in case of emergency break glass and james baker walks out and goes in. >> this is what i asked you in the break, i asked my husband at dinner and i'm curious what you think, go back before obama and before bush and i was wondering watching the coverage and reading the really tragic coverage out of egypt what would james baker do? >> i served in that white house. he did a lot of good things as secretary of state. did nothing while milosevic went on a killing rampage in the balkans and clinton had to intervene in '95 a and did so correctly in my judgment with the support of republicans. i don't know that baker is a

perfect model here. for me the headline today -- jim baker is watching i don't want him to think i've gone soft on him. saudi arabia promises to aid egypt's regime. offer undercuts u.s. leverage over cairo. that is a sign of -- saudi arabia on a key issue like this in the past, republican or democratic presidencies, private phone calls, they would not so visibly be willing to say look, don't worry about the u.s. >> because james baker would call and you know what. >> richard holbrooke would have called. this is where the price we are paying for a general withdraw from the region. look, there are prices we paid for very active role in the region. but i've always thought that the price we would pay for weakness would be greater than the price we would pay for being overly involved and we're seeing that now. >> we're also seeing in this case, especially from saudi arabia, getting calls at the time when mubarak was being -- a lot of arab leaders believed

hung out to dry. >> ally. >> by us. >> a guy that stood by our side for 30 years, through 9/11 and again, not a perfect guy not even a good guy a lot of times, but even back then saudi leaders were saying hold on a second, the first time anything goes wrong if egypt you say mubarak must go after a 30-year relationship. what's going to happen when we have those problems? this was being said. i was talking to leaders in that region. they were saying this very thing while mubarak was, you know -- after the president said mubarak must go. so do the saudis think barack obama is going to stand by them if protests start up against the monarchy. >> i think it was time for mubarak to go but an activist policy one could have followed afterwards that would have worked with the military,

whatever civilian government was in place. this has happened in libya incidentally. i supported the president the one time i've been in the obama white house to meet with the president when he called in a bunch of his supporters, commentators that supported him on the intervention of libya, mostly familiar faces to him and then this moment of horror when he saw me there. >> saw you. >> saw me in the roosevelt room. he rethought his policy and probably did nothing else in libya, i'm not joking. i'm not the reason for it, obviously. he didn't. that's a case where you intervened and help topple a government and have a responsibility to try to make things work out okay there and we paid a price in benghazi for total abdication after we helped topple gadhafi. >> what's the second layer for saudi arabia to say that? what's the upside for them? >> they do not want the muslim brotherhood rising. the muslim brotherhood is connected to the extremely radical and extremist group. it itself was an extremist group. they think the muslim brotherhood ruling the largest

nation in the arab world will breed instability and extremist in the arab world. >> the saudis have a problem with the democracy thing. they're not down with that at all. >> no. >> especially when it comes to saudi arabia. and they don't want any talk of unrest and arab spring in riyadh. >> yeah. >> can i say as bill is talking, gene is saying uh-huh and as gene is talking, bill is saying that's right. i think we have a moment here where the right and the left really thoughtful -- >> why don't you tweet that out. >> i don't -- where's the button? >> but -- >> no. this is important -- >> 409 followers. >> scary. do they all hate me? >> there's some ven nonout there. >> we have bill and gene saying the same thing. why can't the white house do something? they've got -- >> the big problem, bill and i disagree. >> oh, no. wait. >> if he says -- if he's agreeing with gene obviously we're talk talking about

invading a country or something. >> the whole country would be enthusiastic about our president leading again on the foreign stage. >> well, leading making tough choices. the saudis were nervous about us trying to help democracy in iraq. when the president -- when president bush ordered the surge and said we're serious about staying there, the saudis said okay and cooperated quietly. strong u.s. leadership they will bend. weak u.s. leadership they'll decide we have to watch out for our narrow and short-term interests and that's what they're doing here. >> i -- >> go ahead, gene. >> one thing we do agree on, though, is that egypt is not easy. the arab spring is not predictable and there may be in hindsight may have been a way through this, a better way through this, but i'm not sure it was all that evident and, you know, at what point do you say no democracy for you, egypt? i don't think you would have done that when they were getting

rid of mubarak. >> you're right. but we are talking about tough choices and at some point the president is going to have to decide where he stands because right now, as we all agree, everybody is against us. we've talked about sarah palin. we've talked about the muslim brotherhood. let's talk about chris christie now. new jersey governor chris christie has been busy putting his mark on controversial new laws that have been coming out of the state legislature. on monday, christie signed a new law banning the practice of gay conversion therapy. making his state the second to do so. i'm not sure i understand that. >> for minors i think. >> for minors. >> he refused to sign three bills to tighten the state gun laws, among them a bill that would ban the .50 caliber rifle, one of the most powerful firearms to civilians and last week christie asked the legislature to revise a medical marijuana bill to include edible forms of marijuana that sick children could take. the senate agreed to the changes and now waits -- the state

assembly. some people are saying chris christie is playing it safe here, especially on the gun law, that he said that he would sign. he gets it and then he vetoes it. is this governor christie beginning his slow morph into a presidential candidate christie. >> honestly i don't know. i don't know enough about the particulars or the laws. he's always been more -- for more gun control than your typical red state republican but i don't think he's ever been a mayor bloomberg type. he probably has some middle ground. the challenge going forward, he has been a good governor of new jersey. i think he's acceptable to an awful lot of republicans and admired by a lot of republicans. can he persuade them he will govern as a strong conservative, doesn't mean a dog mattic conservative on every issue. that will be his challenge. >> there are a lot of talk radio guys, people on the internet that hate him, say he's a rino. he's a liberal. of course he certainly is not. >> i think he's not but the

distinction i would make is this. conservatives identify as one here, really, really dislike it when they're patronized by liberal or moderate republicans. christie and whitman, nice woman, governor of new jersey, had contempt and she didn't have the time of day for tea party types, pro life conservatives, et cetera. christie i don't think is that way. he's not quite a red state conservative but understands where red state conservatives are coming from and will give them -- they will feel they will be part of a christie administration. >> so let me ask you this, nicole. so i was actually talking to him and others were talking to him and thinking about running back in 2012 and he went state by state. and he -- the question where do i win? iowa. do you see chris christie going out and winning in iowa among the evangelicals that determine who win --? >> probably not. i think somebody like a rick santorum or rand paul. >> okay. >> south carolina? >> i think that would be

difficult. >> a guy from jersey going to south carolina and winning south carolina. >> i think his key to victory is something that you hit on earlier in the show. he has to project chris christie-ness. he has to be the guy that can crush the democrat, whoever it is, and not be nice and not pander to the media and not pander to moderates as bill said. but be a guy who is for what he's for, that includes moderate positions, but it requires christie to be authentic. so what makes me nervous about what we're talking about this morning, i hope that he is doing what he believes in his bones is the right thing. that is not only his best political attribute but the one that will help sim sell himself in places like south carolina. >> people in '91 and '92 i was in the bush white house, very confident, bad feel, cuomo, bill bradley, al gore, bill clinton ran. among democrats where is he going to win? he's not going to win iowa. he's not going to win new hampshire. he's not going to cater to --

too conservative. if you're a strong candidate and you make your case, you can win. >> in the end -- >> christie will need to make a national case. it's not enough to say i was a good governor of new jersey or i have been. even if he has been. clinton, the governors who have made it nationally, reagan, clinton, george w. bush too, have articulated national agendas and interesting national agendas that were sort of fresh. clinton's moderate democratic agenda. bush to some degree with a compassionate conservative agenda. i will give my free advice to christie and palin. they would be well advised to be skeptical of this advice. he should be the guy that says we need an aggressive reform conservatism. we need to govern the country and change in it in a conservative, practical direction. here's a conservative health care reform agenda and financial agenda and tax reform agenda. really lay out a national age a agenda. which ever republican candidate does that, chris christie, scott

walker, ted cruz, anyone who does that could be the nominee. it is so wide open. the guy that can hit the -- tap into the sense that conservatives need to be conservative and need to be able change and reform but also about governing could be powerful. >> all right. bill kristol, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> great having you here again. gene, thank you as well. really appreciate it. >> okay. >> and before we go -- we want to remind everyone to follow nicole on twitte twitter @nicolledwallace. t.j. is working hard to get you -- >> is t.j. following me? should i tweet for t.j. >> i just followed you. >> everybody take one. >> this is all about his hatred for brian shactman. >> he's throwing me under the bus a couple times the last few weeks. >> she's at about 500. >> refresh. >> refresh it. >> where do you look at that? >> i punch on your name.

it's 510. >> still ahead on "morning joe," "hardball's" chris mathews will join us. median lewis black. just in time for the football season, "gq's" 2013 kickoff issue including a look at the return of robert griffin iii. a bit like freaknomics. economist emily osar blows up myths about pregnancy in her book along with nancy snyderman. one that says drink and smoke and sushi. unbelievable. we shall return on "morning joe." this man is about to be the millionth customer.

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carrying something very precious. >> like a little puppy. >> or a baby. what you eat the baby eats. what you listen to the baby listens to. >> if you listen to dmx the baby comes out going -- >> all right. this is your folic acid and this is your prenatal vitamin. >> you're serious about this? >> i don't want my baby to have a pin head. >> i can't do it. i got it. no. i can't swallow that. >> what is this? >> water. >> that was a scene from the 2008 comedy "baby mama" with us assistant profess of economics at university of chicago business school the author of the book "expecting better" by conventional pregnancy wisdom is wrong. and what you really need to know. nbc news chief medical editor dr. nancy snyderman. with us as well. so emily, basically everything we've been told about pregnancy is wrong.

women can drink, take ambien? is that what you're saying? >> no. not all of it -- not smoke. so when i got pregnant, i found like at lot of women a lot of more choices, like can i have a cup of coffee. >> the answer is yes, right? >> but the recommendations were confusing. book said one thing, doctor said another thing, people on the internet said 50 different things and realized that actually all of these come from studies and data and that was something i was comfortable with from my job and ended up taking my job as an economist and like moving it to my pregnancy and that was the genesis. >> coffee is okay. >> some coffee is okay. >> alcohol? you can drink alcohol? >> in moderation. very important -- >> bottle of vodka. >> bin drinking heavy drinking -- >> how much wine can a pregnant woman watching "morning joe" drink before 8:00? >> you're going to get in trouble, i'm warning you. >> how much wine?

>> dr. nancy, when we want you to talk i will -- i will look at your general direction. that has not happened yet. you stop. let me get her on the limb. how much wine? >> there is a lot of evidence suggesting that no more than two cups -- no more than two glasses drinks a day in the first trimester. a lot of evidence suggesting women that drink at that level have children who perform similarly on a variety of metrics to children of mothers who abstain. >> sue chi? >> different from saying we should prescribe wine to pregnant women which used to be something we did. more saying we should move this back into the realm of individual choice. >> if you're in ireland, have a pint of guinness a day. it helps the kid. >> it's true that in the uk -- >> in ireland -- >> i swear to god they like force guinness, they do! down a pregnant mother --

guinness is good for you. loca locaw call. >> seven essential vitamins. the sue chi thing, is this a myth? >> pregnant woman from reputable sources should feel comfortable with sushi all this you want to be careful about high mercury fish like tuna or swordfish. in sushi you probably want to avoid. >> don't garden pregnant women, stay out of hot tubs, don't smoke, and no raw milk cheese. >> what about working out? what's the, you know -- >> exercise is good for you. it's good for you when pregnant, when not pregnant. >> how hard should you be --? >> whatever level you're comfortable exercising at. now it's fine to continue. >> dr. nancy, i know -- >> let's go. >> i know crazy women, dr. nancy, and i sit next to one most every morning. >> you do. but she's no longer pregnant. >> when she was she would be

here like -- i would hear these stories like jog eight miles, eight and a half -- >> there was a woman years ago, a book called "marathon mom" and she was the first person who broke through the stigma because you're carrying this big basketball you can't do things. you can absolutely exercise up until the day you drop the baby. the only problem as the babies grow they squish your lungs. you don't have the same air capacity. absolutely exercise through pregnantsy. >> drinking wine. >> this is where we differ a little bit. i get the stats. i always worry about fetal development early. we have been highjacked in the medical community where i'll get in trouble, that every child who's been exposed to alcohol is going to get fetal alcohol syndrome. not true. it scared people away from it. but alcohol is to be consumed with dinner over a duration of time as a food group. >> i agree. >> not to be guzzled. that's where we get into

trouble. if we're talking about wine it's eight ounces. not a tumbler. you can't go to ikea and get a flower vase. no jello shots, yard long margarita. >> i'm much more comfortable in the third trimester. >> a lot of people don't like coffee in pregnancy. that's a thing where the body turns you away from toxins and poisonens. i didn't love it but there's no real hurt if you feel your heart racing you stop. >> a lot of women are nauseous in the first trimester and avoid coffee. for me i can barely -- >> get out of here. >> just protecting you. >> that was mine i'll take these vitamins this big, prenatal vitamin when can we make that small? >> as soon as a man gets pregnant. >> why not ambien? >> nicole -- >> but you have to remember, nicole is following your compatriot here down into drugdom, i don't know. >> i'm -- >> i have to stick up for ambien. it's awesome.

>> i'm with you. >> when you can't find a position in bed because you're so uncomfortable, a little sleeping aid in the third trimester will not hurt anybody. i'm stunned you can get by on a third of a pill. >> i needed help falling asleep. >> that's not going to hurt you. the third trimester most of the fetal development is done and then this baby is just growing. >> and growing and growing. >> but it's worth noting that actually because of that one of the things you see is smoking in the third trimester is harmful for birth weight. >> no good sig gret at any time. the only thing we disagree with, i'm not comfortable with women eating unpasturized cheeses. >> i agree. >> because -- >> not pregnant -- >> increasing the artisanal cheeses and go to farmers market. you can get listeria and that can cause a still birth. >> so there are a couple myths here that -- we wanted to debunk. one i've never heard of before.

i don't know what it means. women's eggs have a 35-year-old sell by date. tell us men what that means and why that is a myth that is false. >> so i red read this in a paper. there's evidence that there's a lot of discussion that as you age your fertility goes down. there's sometimes this idea at 35 that's it, no more babies if you don't get your babies in by then that's it. >> that's not true. >> that's not true. in fact, there's sort of a grain of truth in the sense that as 16 is like the ideal time to have a baby and then all sort of downhill from there. >> can you imagine. >> one final myth we have to debunk, women can't dye their hair when pregnant. >> dying your hair while pregnant is fine. >> agree agree. >> there you go. >> this just shows that smart women who can crunch numbers can understand medicine as well as people who come into medicine from another root. >> there you go. you've done it. >> thank you very much. >> emily, it's great having you

here. the book is "expecting better". >> out today. >> it's out today. i am going to -- >> debuted on "mj". >> i'm going to buy about five of these. tweet about this. >> i am going to. dr. nancy, stay with us if you will. coming up nbc news takes a firsthand look at the gun violence in chicago going to a place where the impact is felt the most. the er room. "morning joe" will be right back. [ dog ] we found it together.

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is that what i think. >> only dr. nancy can say that. >> boom. >> that was -- >> all right. we're on tv right now. >> wow. >> the gun violence in chicago is taking a toll on area hospitals. the nbc news team spent a weekend in a suburban emergency room where the shootings are impacting the way they treat patients. nbc's john yang has our report. >> how do you copy? >> 38-year-old male stabbing.

>> what's the eta? >> room one. >> reporter: saturday night at advocate christ medical center's er in suburban oaklawn. seven trauma cases in two hours. most involve violence on chicago's south side. two shootings, a stabbing, and an assault. >> let's get the turn na kit on him. just relax. >> reporter: dr. dougherty is head of the trauma department on hour 13 of a 24-hour shift. he's worried about a teenager who was shot in the head. >> the bullet fragment is still in there. >> i don't see the bullet fragment at all. it came in and hit, cracked the skull and probably bounced out. >> reporter: the number of doa's has quadrupled in three years but if they reach the doors alive the survival rate is 97%. >> he's got a lot of injuries. >> when you do something a lot you get good at it. >> reporter: it's getting harder. >> he's still pouring stuff out of there. >> amazing he's alive. >> throw the kitchen sink at him and see what happens.

>> reporter: trauma surgeon ella owe my is caring for 45 patients including one with indiana including 28 bullet wounds. >> we see more people who are covered in bullets. 28? i would have to say that's close to the highest i've seen. i think 32 was the highest i saw. and it's really just chances to what it hits or doesn't hit. >> reporter: last year the staff saw nearly 1100 gunshot and stabbing victims. >> strong teamwork and we'll get through it. okay? have a good night, guys. >> reporter: every night they witness the changing nature of the violence. >> there's no rules anymore it seems like with the pattern of violence. it's random 5-year-olds getting shot that really hits you hard. >> reporter: for some on the staff, it's been life changing. >> it's unforgettable what i've seen in this er. >> reporter: medical technician la wanna hudson grew up on

chicago's south side and raised two sons there. >> when i wake up in the morning i thank god i'm waking up and nothing has happened to me or my loved ones. >> reporter: cherishing life as they save the lives of others. >> how is the pain? >> dr. nancy, remarkable. >> i thought john yang's piece was amazing. sad summer for chicago. having worked at san francisco general years ago i know what that's like, that intensity, unrelenting intensity when young people come in, you don't have time to say what's your name, who's here with them. you just start working. the fact that if you get there alive the technology now is so great you can save young kids. >> isn't that unbelievable. >> 97%. >> what's the -- so if you don't get there, you can't be resuscitated. >> if you die in the street you die in the street. you bleed out. if you get there -- these ers are almost mini operating rooms and er docs are now trauma docs and they're just amazing. amazing. >> especially in chicago.

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facing the nfl strict new bag policy for the sake of keeping stadiums safe and secure. nbc news correspondent janet sham leen joins us from fedex field, home of the washington redskins. a lot of women going to be angry about this and brian shactman already wondering what he does with his fanny pack. it's huge. he carries so much back there. >> love it. >> you and your fanny pack. let's talk about the new policy and the problems it's going to cause. >> you know, this is going to cause problems for brian's man purse and for women's bags which these days tend to look like weekend bags. i might recognize this one here. we wouldn't think about leaving home without them, but it you're going to an nfl game as you indicated you're going to have leave home without them and this is what the new brian purse or women's purse is going to have to look like if you're going to a game. the nfl has new rules this season but they're being enforced not on the field by

referees but at the stadium entrance by security. >> this one unfortunately is too big. >> i'll put it in my car. >> reporter: it's a ban on almost every type of bag from backpacks to camera cases to diaper totes and yes, ladies, that includes all but the tiniest of purses. >> i'm sorry. >> reporter: fans are scrambling to comply at the monday night game many were turned away. >> i found out about it on-line before i came to the game and i thought my bag was the right size. >> reporter: taking a page seemingly from the tsa playbook, plastic freezer bags are allowed. one per person. a clear tote no larger than this is also okay. >> i'm not going to carry a ziplock bag and walk around with a hefty bag at the game. >> reporter: the ban follows the boston marathon bombing but applies only to football, not major league baseball or the nba. >> i think in many ways this is predictable after an event like boston. it's important for the large

public gatherings to have increased measure of security. on the other hand this is more extreme than we've seen elsewhere. >> reporter: the move comes as the nfl is increasingly focused on the female fan. now almost half of pro football viewers. the one who usually controls the checkbook. >> i think most fans when they understand what it is we're trying to do which is create an enhanced safety environment for our fans and also speed entry, once they understand that, they're generally supportive of our new policy. >> reporter: it could be a tough sell. a woman's purse is her world. even the guys get that. >> it's not very cool. i mean she's got tam upons all kindses of stuff in her purse she don't want anybody to see. that's ridiculous. >> so cameras and binoculars are allowed in but you cannot bring them in the case. purses are allowed in provided, get this, they are smaller in size than 4 1/2 by 6 1/2 inches. i don't know if my wallet qualifies. the nfl does have an approved

plastic kind of pvc bag you can buy for $8 and fill this to your heart's content. this is allowed in to the stadium. guys, back to you. >> oh, my goodness. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. brian does as well. did they make clear fanny packs? >> i'm going to look into it. if i can get a drone on amazon i can get a clear fanny pack. >> this is a tough crowd here. thank god you're here. >> mike haney, the latest issue of "gq," as nfl kickoff issue with two covers. the redskins quarterback robert griffin and 49er's quarterback colin kaepernick. >> talk about some real football, not fanny packs. >> we're going to talk about real football. rg3, he's back. what have we learned about rg3 in "gq" this month? >> he's a perfect guy to be heading the franchise in d.c. because he inspires a mixture of joy and dread. like that town. so everything that makes him great, you know, what makes him spectacular makes him vulnerable

as they say. but he's back this season hopefully. he's been training. >> so what is it? what makes him so great? that he goes all out? >> he just goes all out. he plays the game. there's a out. he plays the game. kaepernick luck, great rookie season for quarterbacks. >> unbelievable. >> people will literally watch robert griffin iii on every play and worry it's the last play. >> joy and dread, perfect player for d.c. >> vick early in his career ran past everybody. you knew he was going to get that knee injury and he did, slowed him down. st. nick. a lot of people don't like -- >> your alma mater. he's coming back for his fifth

championship this year. >> insane. >> i love this guy. to me he's got this severe phobia of idleness, never stops working. calls his best friend every day from 7:23 to 7:27. >> that's good. >> once heard dolphin office they told all football people not to say hello to him because he didn't want to waste time with greetings. >> i had an auburn fan that said how can you support a guy who walks around and doesn't talk to anybody. >> he was invited to the white house and turned it down. >> he's insanely focused on football. i read in the article he eats the same meal every day. >> he has two little debbie snack cakes for breakfast every day. breakfast of champions. >> you're kidding. >> that is absolutely insane. but he keeps winning? >> keeps winning. he's fantastic. >> what else are you talking about in the issue?

>> great profile of colin kaepernick. >> that guy came out of nowhere, absolutely nowhere. >> came within three passes of winning the super bowl. >> can i ask you a question. >> yes. >> always wanted to ask you this. jim nelson. >> editor in chief. can we get a picture of him? does he intentionally try to look like tom york of radio head. does he go today i'm going to wake up and look like a younger tom york. >> i don't know. he's a huge music fan. we could ask him. >> totally scamming the york look. >> great profile of kaepernick and camp bastion. >> what is that? >> attack in afghanistan, deadliest attack on u.s. forces since vietnam. >> is that the cia attack. >> it was the one where 15 taliban guys scaled the fence in a camp and inflicted $200 million in damage. good piece of reporting.

>> so what are we going to be wearing this fall? >> ties, as you can see there. >> fanny pack. >> i found a see-through fanny pack, by the way. somebody tweeted it to me. >> see-through fanny packs. >> by the way, there's shactman's fanny pack. >> best place to watch the game is on your couch. can you watch it in your underwear. >> it's about -- >> there you go. put a little color in your wardrobe. >> color in your wardrobe. >> why don't you come by the office, joe, get you dressed for gq segment. >> we can do that i'm pretty good, but yeah. one thing who arifies me on this page. i'm noticing socks. i don't think i have to wear socks through october. >> this is september issue getting you ready for fall. we're in future time now. >> again, splashes of color. >> kind of like you.

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of sloppy kisses. i have met mr. filner on many occasions. there are others who are, but i've never had that opportunity. >> good morning, it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set thomas roberts, nicolle wallace, dr. jeffrey sacks and bob filner biographer gene robinson. he's in washington. nice to know one woman under 100 in san diego that has been in bob filner's presence has been molested. >> she's lovely, so that's one. >> still got the great granny coming after him but that's one. start with embattled san diego

mayor bob filner. was expected to be back to work on monday after spending time away for behavior therapy. he reportedly met with city council leaders and lawyer gloria all red who met with several of his accusers. supporters gathered on his behalf, backing him as a pillar of the community. some compared his treatment to mccarthyism and others say his work outweighs his actions. >> what i can only describe as pure vindictiveness on the part of his opponents. >> we're going to stand behind him. we asked him not to resign. due process means that a victim is tried in court. not in the media, not on the streets. they have the opportunity to prove themselves. this will happen also for the

accusers and the victim. >> so local radio station paid to have sky writing displays, surrender bob. women accused the mayor of unwanted practices. i just don't -- gene, you're the expert. you're the one that called me up at midnight and said, joe, please, just give me a chance to talk about filner and i'll prove what an expert i am. you wrote a book on him. >> i've been waiting for months for the opportunity to talk about bob filner. look, 16 women, that's due process. sixteen. come on. you've had your day in court. i understand what's going on in san diego. bob filner is a democrat. he's mayor of san diego. that doesn't happen. it hasn't happened in a long

ti time. i'm sure the democrats out there are distraught at the thought the mayor will have to go away. the mayor has got a problem. the mayor has got a problem automotive he's got a big problem. >> i don't think it was cured by a week and a half of whatever he did the last week and a half. >> san diego has got a big problem, too. you have one of the largest cities in the country in the middle of this crisis completely shut down. i can't believe this guy is still at work. lets go from west coast to east coast. new jersey governor chris christie is busy put his mark on controversial new laws coming out of the state legislature. on monday christie signed a new law banning the practice of gay conversion therapy making his state the second to do so. he also refused to sign three bills tightening state gun laws. among them a bill that would ban the 50 caliber rifle, one of the

most powerful firearms available to civilians. last week christie asked legislature to revise the medical marijuana bill to include edible forms that sick children could take. the senate has agreed to changes and now awaits the state. what's with chris christie? what's he doing? he's planning for presidential run? >> yeah. listen, this is a guy whose greatest attribute is he doesn't give a bleep bleep what anyone says about him. i'm going to keep watching but it makes his biggest fans and fiercest defenders, i think, a little wary to see something that appears a tad politically calculated. >> like what? give me some examples. >> i think the gun votes. i think that even gun owners can respect and understand some reasonable limits on these kinds

of weapons. i don't think there's a constitutional question about limiting access to some of these firearms. what bothers you? >> on these gun issues, listen, you can say we should have cannons. you know, whatever. >> it would be a safer country, though, with cannons. >> drones. you can buy drones on amazon. what i've always said, i have said this, and i said this way before anybody at nra parroted me, all it takes to stop a bad man with a cannon is what? a good man with a cannon. >> i think i already feel the cannon sales exploding this morning. so if you want to buy cannons and you believe -- you can have that debate. we'll have that debate. in this case, chris christie

himself said this was the type of gun he wanted to ban, that he supported this ban. now as the talk gets a little more intense about running for president of the united states, suddenly he wants to ban this gun and suddenly it goes too far? >> yeah. >> maybe there's a part of it that goes too far? >> what part could it be? these laws are written with, i think, a lot of understanding of what they are up against. i think if you look at states, look at cities that successfully passed gun legislation, they understand the opposition. i'd be curious to see what they expected the governor to do, what he ended up doing. >> "the daily beast" reporting white house secretly suspended aid to egypt, a sign the obama administration is internally treating the government takeover as a military coup. u.s. officials aren't commenting on the report saying the review of aid to egypt is, quote, ongoing. but it should be pointed out saudi arabia said it would fill

the void of any foreign aid that is cut. meanwhile hosni mubarak has been cleared by an egyptian court and is to be released from jail. authorities are now working to determine the official date for the former president to be set free. >> wow. >> lets go to ammann and then get a response from the table. what's the latest? how are tensions in the street? do you feel we may have more clashes or is that passed for now? >> right now the street violence seems to have in cairo, northern peninsula, yesterday talking about 25 soldiers killed. also, all eyes are on a court decision that is expected tomorrow in the possible release of former president hosni mubarak. as we understand it, there is a hearing tomorrow. that hearing will surround the decision as to whether or not he should be freed pending the beginning of his trial. he's not acquitted of any wrongdoing but the judge

believes he's already served two and a half years waiting for this trial to start, that he does not necessarily have to remain in prison. that would certainly fuel the flames here. a lot of people have been making the accusation what we've seen in the past few weeks with the way the military has been running things, it's a return to premubarak days. the military is back in power. a lot of the governors they appointed are former military officers, police officers, the release of mubarak would be an example of how corrupted judiciary is here and more importantly how the government has fallen on deaf ears on the demands of the revolution. they will be watching closely and could feel more protests to come. >> thanks so much as always. we appreciate it. jeffrey, the cig in egypt just horrible. it seems like the country has mismanaged it for years now. >> the whole region in growing came ochlhaos chaos.

we have no foreign policy doing anything to help guide the region. egypt is a huge country of great importance and completely in civil conflict right now. >> what have we done wrong in egypt? where do you start? >> there was a move towards democracy that we should have helped. we had misgivings about it. the neighbors had misgivings about it, because when you open up for democracy, they have got the first several votes for islamists president. and we could have helped that process to find a middle ground. we did not do so. for two years when they needed some kind of financial stability, we held back on everything. finally the generals got organized, i suspect with a lot of connivance with our allies and perhaps ourselves, we don't really know the story, and a very brutal coup and crackdown

has ensued. the thought is that you can repress half the country. we know that that is not going to go anywhere in the long-term. it's both brutal in the short-term, 1,000 people or more killed, the crackdowns will continue. we have continued to give aid until this point. whether secretly they have cut off something, we don't know. our allies, israel, saudi arabia, are saying go for it. smash the muslim brotherhood, but this is half the country. it's a crazy idea this can be put down by massacres and military brutality in my view. so we drifted and the obama administration has not shown any clear capacity to help guide events. and then we're told every day in the news we have no say, we don't have any responsibility. we provide the military security for every one of those countries we're talking about right now.

israel, saudi arabia. >> why is the president saying he doesn't have any say? why does the president say his options are limited? >> i think it's a lack of capacity and a lack of decision of what to do. the general problem, in my view, is that they are conflicted. should we really aim for democratization. probably not. it's an islamist regime and you see through this country of course a very strong feeling, don't support anything that has that flavor to it, that coloration to it. >> right. >> it's a huge mistake. we want shortcuts. we want the government we want. okay. let the military crack down. but we know this is not the end of the story. this is more crisis that's going to come. >> there is not a consistent foreign policy. it is ad hoc. we do one thing with gadhafi, the situation every bit as

chaotic, we saw even in the aftermath of benghazi. we do another on syria. how many? over 100,000 killed? gene? >> i think there's one fundamental question we really haven't answered. i'm not sure we could have saved mubarak if we wanted to, to tell you the truth. remember, the whole country wanted to get rid of him instead of just half the country. i think he was a goner. the fundamental question is, okay, are we willing to accept and support and nurture islamist-led governments, after the arab spring or not. those elected governments that come up, are we going to be patient and try to transform them or help them transform into truly representative democracieses that are not afghanistan, not taliban sort of regions or not.

>> here is the question. the question is, and i guess this is for the history books, what could we have done to make morsi a more rational, reasonable leader that didn't suspend the courts. >> joe, it wasn't actually like that, because what happened was there was a parliamentary election and the islamist won a large majority, and then it was the courts who are the mubarak era appointees that overturned the parliamentary election. that was the starting point of all of this downward spiral. we said nothing -- >> are you saying that morsi was without fault? >> not without fault. >> morsi didn't push things to the extreme. >> what happened was that parliament, which could have actually sat as a normal government was suspended by the mubarak era courts and that blocked the democratization

process. at that moment we said nothing. this was the generals and mubarak folks coming bag in. it's been one year of downward spiral. that's when it started actually. it started when elected parliament of islamist majority wasn't allowed to sit. after that basically this was a whole rolling coup. now they have done it. the u.s. has been on the sidelines, and we're not sure. we kind of like democracy a little bit but go ahead and crush it. coming up on "morning joe," the angriest man on television, comedian lewis black. he'll join us on set. we're going to give him prozac and keep him calm. up next, chris matthews, another guy who stays pretty calm joins us on set. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> how do i follow those two. as far as what we're dealing with in idaho, showed you the picture of the big blaze that blew up. we have an army of firefighters

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♪ >> very moving, host of msnbc "hardball's" chris matthews. we have our guests with us. nicolle, we read the column on dropping kids off at school. you've done that a few times. i know a lot of parents watching tweeted me over the past week or two talked about dropping their kids off at school and how tough it is. i remember saying good-bye to my son and then trying to walk upstairs and making it two stairs and completely collapsing and starting to break down in tears. it really is.

man, it's -- i still remember when my mom and dad said good-bye to my sister. she was the first to leave. it's just one of those moments, isn't it? >> i think so. i thought it was great the way you and nicolle were talking about it. an emotional bond that doesn't get talked about, the father-son, father-daughter, mother-daughter, mother-son. you get used to living with someone in close quarters, homework, being so close to someone. all of a sudden they go somewhere. they go to rhode island, philadelphia, new york and they are gone. you'll hear from them at christmas and certainly hear from them over the phone but they are gone. they don't live with you anymore. i'm telling you, i'm being very honest, my favorite visitors to our house now are my kids and daughter-in-law and granddaughter. i love it when they come. i feel whole. i think it's great. i never would have thought that. if you had asked me 20 years ago is that going to be an event, i

would say i never thought of it. >> you never do. i have four kids. people that don't have kids wouldn't understand this. i have four kids. you know, the only time that i feel comfortable and the only time i can go to sleep relaxed is when all four kids are under the same roof and they were this past week for the first time in a really long time. yeah, once they are gone, you really do treasure when they come back. michael gersten wrote this. saying good-bye to my child, the youngster. i put on my best face but it is the worst thing that time has done to me so far. that moment at the dorm is implied at the kindergarten door, at the gates of summer camp, at every ritual of parting and independence, but it comes as surprising as a thief, taking what you value most.

there is no use brooding about it. i'm sure my father realized it at a similar moment and i certainly didn't notice or empathize. at first he was a giant who held my hand and filled my sky, then a middle aged man who paid the bills. now decades after his passing, a much loved shadow. but i can remember the last time i hugged him in front of the hallway of the home where i always had a room. it is a memory of warmth i can only hope to leave to my son. >> how can you read that without crying. especially you've got all the generations there. you lost your father last year. >> oh, my god, yes. >> i don't know how you can get through that without crying. i have a one-year-old. the only place he goes is gymboree class. >> we're hyper conscious. you have these moments with every incremental move they have. a 5-year-old down the street on training wheels, despite almost having a cardiac arrest as he

tries to honk his horn and take his hands off the handle bars. >> brian, the first time you sent your 5-year-old in to shoplift, put stuff in your fanny pack. i don't have to shoplift anymore. >> daddy, why do they beat me up? because it's a purse. >> it's a satchel. >> just be quiet over there. chris, i know you guys spend a lot of time with your kids and travel, the fact is, then we'll move onto politics. the thing is unless your kids are my kids age, it goes so fast. >> joe, just a couple weeks ago we went to pamplona. i don't know about you. every year i see the wire photos from the running of the bulls and i think hemingway and i think why am i missing it again. i went over there courtesy of the mayor of pamplona was the host. we watched the running of the bulls every morning. my son, the actor from newsroom,

he ran, we watched him. we went to bullfights just like hemingway. that is a great thing to do with your kids if you can do it. get away with the boys in my case and do that kind of thing. it's fantastic. i love it. >> my kids, we did something almost as good. we get one of those metal detectors and move through the sand and try to find bottle caps. >> regular guys. you're going right below me. you're "morning joe," the regular guy. >> i'm morning joe. you know where i go. sounds like a remarkable thing to do. chris always takes his kids, on vacations, he goes with him. it's pretty remarkable. all right. lets move on. we've got a lot to talk about. first of all bill crystal on earlier this morning. nicolle said, well, it's pretty crazy that bill crystal and gene robinson seem to be agreeing on

foreign policy. the only problem is joe scarborough and bill crystal don't agree on foreign policy which opens up the bigger question about the fight in the republican policy with more aggressive neo-cons versus my position which is restrained realism. >> you have to take -- the trouble in politics, we all agree on this, you have to take the blue plate special. you have to buy it all. if you go with christie, who i may like in terms of the way he deals with other parties, democrats, and seems to be a reasonable guy, moderate guy, i guess. he's pretty hawkish. he's very much like rudy. do you prefer the hawkish part of christie and take that along with what seems to be the moderate domestic policy or do you take rand paul. he may be in some people's minds a wacko bird but he's much closer to me on foreign policy, much more restrained. it's weird, have you to pick your poison.

i didn't want that part and the waitress or wait person says, sorry, mack, that's the special. you have to take it all. >> you're exactly right. i really do think republicans, a lot of republicans i talk to want a mix of that, where you actually have foreign policy that's more restrained. you actually have domestic policy where actually you've got a leader who is smart enough and strong enough to talk to the other side without shriveling up when people on blogs start screaming at them. >> what do we do when we get to the primaries? is there a coalescing, a center right, right party that agrees on things that combine something of rand paul, the hot hand, and chris christie who is going to try to grab the northeast and perhaps some of the midwest republican party. rand paul maybe really has the heart of the party now. this is something i believe is going to happen in the

republican party. i think every -- four or five cycles go by and you're pragmatic and go to the center and then you finally be who you are. enough of the game playing, i am what i am like popeye or somebody. you have goldwater. you had mcgovern. you had reagan that worked out well and obama that at least got elected. so sometimes these eruptions to who you really are do work politically. i have a sense of the republican party this time that just had it with these people like bob dole and john mccain and mitt romney and even w turned out to be a spender. this time we're going to go with the real part of the party. that's why i think rand paul has the hot hand right now and to some extend ted cruz. >> on the democrat said, hillary clinton obviously sucking the oxygen out of the political room for democrats. that not much of a problem right now because it's so far away for the other democrats. the bigger problem, though, is at some point, and you see this, chris, time and time again, at

some point the presumptive nominee takes oxygen away from the sitting president and becomes the presumptive party leader. we're not there yet with hillary. i'm still having a hard time figuring barack obama out. >> here is the problem. i think, joe, you're right on it. i may be ahead of you in the sense i think you know in washington, which is a strange town, everybody who is a policy person is looking for a job in the next administration. people generalists aren't looking for a job. we have a job and great ones. people policy people, foreign policy mavens, they are scrambling, who is going to be in, who is going to be under-secretary, assistant secretary, public affairs assistant secretary, they are positions for positions. like the neo-cons have a government where they can work to get away from the administration, democrats away

from the brookings institution. they have to have a place to work. they are already scrambling. from what i'm hearing people are figuring out who is chief of staff in the white house. you know what i mean? they are already deciding who is going to get the slots. that tells me -- >> it's crazy. >> the land rush towards hillary has already begun and aided by something nobody before has had, the women's movement, which is so stronger, even hillary, women my age especially who say our time has come. this is our time. this is our candidate. this is our year. i think that's going to even overwhelm the ambitions of the clintons, which is pretty ambitious to start with. >> i would agree that desire to see her realize what she came up short. the reason she went up sort is women by and large went for obama. i want to ask you about the blue plate special. what was the part of obama -- i

think what people signed up for, voted for, was the hope and the change. what did people feel like they had to take along with the hope and the change and what sort of remorse did they have now? >> i liked the whole thing. in this case i liked the blue plate special. i said, i'll take that order. >> how is it looking on the table five years later. >> nicolle, lets be bipartisan about this. >> i didn't order it. i don't care. >> every time -- rainfall it's a little more bland tasting than you expected, isn't it? >> every time you fall for politicians, gene mccarthy let us down and dropped out of the race in the '60s. i thought nixon let a lot of us down. we never thought he would get in that much trouble. certainly clintons had embarrassing moment, let us down. he let me down by swallowing this neo-con garbage taking us

into iraq. >> i'm asking about obama. >> i'll tell you obama's short coming and it's quite bipartisan an assessment, exactly what you would say, i think. usually politicians take a while to develop a public speaking manner to where they are really good at it. it took church hill a long time, he a stutter as joe and you guys now and he developed a great speaking pattern. jack kennedy was never a good speaker until 1960 where he was gang busters, developed a public person ark. all that time in the 15 years in kennedy's case and roosevelt they were developing the back room skills, one-on-one skills, how you make friends, how you become class president, how you establish the loyalty of people one-on-one. the key political asset is the ability to sit in a room with four or five other people and have them accept your leadership. you know that nicolle on either side of the party. obama doesn't have that. he had the speaking skill way ahead of schedule, the

inspiration ability, charisma, he never developed a love of politics, love of politicians, sit around and play cards with them, their nuances, hooks, triggers, buttons, get to know them and figure out how you can work with some of them, even tough customers like eric cantor, boehner, get to know the tea party sentiment. >> and world leaders, chris. >> pardon me? i'm with you on that. >> chris, this is thomas. the hillary perception is reality, is it because when we look on the right we've got cruz, we've got christie and they have a national platform and will for a while. hillary doesn't have that national platform not being in elected office. >> she has a track record now, though. she has a resume which beats the band. that resume of serving with the state department, being first lady, her heroic nature, how she put up with all that and being

elected senator of new york. that gutsy move to go up to new york and win and become a very popular new york politician, which she did all of that. i think she doesn't need the daily headlines. i'll tell you one thing that might be happening of the republican party might at some point think hillary is going to be a tough customer to beat, the women's movement, the time has come, all that sort of thing, and her resume. the only person we've got that can beat her is a guy like christie. they may make that calculation. i don't think they will. that's christie's drawing card. rand paul, have a good day, 40% on a good year, a lot of anger against the democrats but i can get 51%. i can be the probable winner against hiss in the polls. that's his case to me. >> we shall see. chris matthews, thank you so much. always great having you. love having you. up next, you know him from "the daily show," lewis black will be doing something no comedian has ever done. ever. he explains it to us next.

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why would i be excited a democrat won? seriously over the past eight years, the democrats didn't do [ bleep ]. basically the last eight years i feel the republicans stood around farting and the democrats went, ooh, let me smell it. >> there you have it. grammy award winning comedian lewis black. he's going to be featured on a pay-per-view comedy special live in atlantic city. you're doing something nobody has done. i feel like saying godspeed to lewis black. you're going to be on cable -- >> everything. every possible platform so i can reach the 42 people who will watch. >> how do you do this, what no comedian has.

>> they approached us. i've been trying to do a live suspect. you go to the usual suspects. we stumbled onto this group and they said lets go do it and we're going to do it. it's something -- for me it's great, because usually i do a special and nine months later it comes out and everybody goes that's yesterday. >> those are great jokes about george w. bush. he grew up in washington. i had no idea. he grew up at the capital. >> i wonder why do politicians, everyone in the room crack up when you call politicians bleep heads and bleep heads. >> what politicians don't any clue to is how disenfranchised their public is. they haven't a clue. they haven't for a long time. when i went on the road 25 years ago and left the city. everybody went, wow, you're going to take this on the road. first, you're from new york. second, you're angry all the

time. it turns out the audience was angrier than me. >> lewis, what's the material you're going to use. who is in your targets for this last special. >> kind of both sides again. democrats. every time i have to come up with something different. now democrats are dumb and republicans are stupid. the difference between dumb and stupid is dumb isn't fun y. finally i have to explain to people. why don't you have jokes about democrats? they are not funny. dumb is when you say something and the whole room goes what did he say? don't say it again. >> stupid is funny. >> stupid is seriously funny. >> who makes laugh the hardest. >> the greatest was dan quail. he was the pantheon. i had 60 minutes on him. >> people go nuts. >> it was stairway to heaven. >> anyone who came up with that stuff.

it depends. i think ted cruz is a gold mine. you can talk about him being the next big thing. good luck. good luck. if he's a leader. seriously, is there an adult in the room who can't say, no, you don't get to shut down the government. we don't have time. i don't have energy. what are you going to do? you're going to shut it down because you're upset about something? that isn't the way government -- i'm sorry. i lived in d.c. government works this way. two drunks, one democrat, one republican, two congressmen drunk. >> drunk at the time. >> in the '50s walk into a bar and figure something out. now they are in the gym pumping endorphins. >> hgh. >> it doesn't help us. you know that. any congressman who shows a picture of himself in the gym,

you're out. you're out. >> kick him out right there. >> you don't get to play ball. that's how i know the government is worse than it's ever been. when i was a kid drunks did it better. >> they get along better. >> of course, you're the best. >> drunk people who wouldn't go skinny dipping in the tidal basin. >> mills, the best. >> the only thing his drunkenness kept him from was helping us having a health plan. they said be going -- >> lewis, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being here. this was exciting. i hope you'll come back. >> i'll come back. now that i come in and yell. >> alex said we had to go.

>> his hand was on the delay button. he was scared. >> the word has come out. >> i've already been there. >> lewis black, "old yeller" a pay-per-view event. this saturday at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. he's making history. you want to be a part of it. lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you guys. >> coming up -- the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card

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bid from that. jcpenney and best buy forestalling their decline for another little bit as their earnings came in better than expected of those shares look higher as well. turning to the broader landscape, looks like a week, first four-day losing streak of the year for stocks. interestingly, though, a lot of the real pain is abroad. it's in emerging markets like india, indonesia, all of which are seeing people pull their money out and bring it back into the u.s. >> why is that? >> ultimately what's happening is a lot of people, and you guys may know people who did this as well chasing better returns than what they could get at home over the last few years especially in the bond market. looked, saw double digit growth, saw how their population was growing. unfortunately a lot of countries relied on in-flows and didn't get budgets in order. now it's coming back to bite them. >> kelly, as i'm sure you know in our conversation about headlines yesterday, we don't

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exciting news. t.j. told us there were two rescue dogs in an undisclosed location that needed saving but would only be saved if nicolle got 1500 twitter followers. i thought this was terrible and cruel. that's a picture of wn of the rescue dogs. she's at 1577, the dogs live. >> which is so great, because i love dogs. >> why don't you tweet about it. >> i will if you show me where the button is. >> okay. hang on. >> dr. nancy wrote one, joe wrote the other. >> hold on one second. hold on here. i'm sure chuck won't mind. okay. hold on one second. i'm going to tweet this for you. okay. very good. chuck todd, we're really sorry.